CARVER, HABICHT ARE ON DRYS' SIDE

The side of prohibition was strongly upheld by two members of the University in interviews granted to the CRIMSON yesterday. Professor T. N. Carver, Professor of Economics, and Max Habicht, an international lawyer from Switzerland, and a special student in the Law School, were the two men who spoke in favor of the present system.

"The universities of the country realize, that more and more, they must draw students from elements of the population who take prohibition seriously." This is the opinion expressed by Professor T. N. Carver. A drinking class is always a decaying class. The drinking aristocracy is almost all gone and working people who drink, will probably not rise to the college level. We are dependent upon the sober, marrying, industrious class; in short, the rising class.

Drunkeness a Crime

"Next to killing, stealing, and lying, drunkeness is the worst vice known to civilization. Aside from those three nothing so quickly destroys dependability and effective organization of effort, which is the basis of civilization. The only question is whether the evil can be controlled as well in another way. I do not believe it can.

"Prohibition has reduced drunkeness to a great extent among the majority of the people who formerly frequented the corner saloons. I am unable to see as striking a difference in the University. There is, as a matter of fact, not as much obvious drunkeness as there was 20 years ago. But at that time," Professor Carver added, "it was declining anyway. I have not seen a drunken student in five years.

Non-Drinking Class on Ascent

Drunkeness is declining due to the fact that more students are coming from the non-drinking classes. For example, the old drinking Southern gentleman, with a dewlap and mint julep voice is practically gone, and in his stead has risen the steady and sober man. It is from this new class, that mere and more men are coming to the University.

"Prohibition is no more an interference with liberty, than is the supervision of the distribution of drugs and narcotics, or the control of prostitution. As a matter of fact, few people care for liberty as such; all the average man eares for is freedom to do what he wants to do. If he doesn't care for narcotics, he does not look upon control of them as an intringement of his rights.

"There is no doubt," said Professor Carver in concluding, "that the present prosperity of the laboring classes is in part, at least, the result of prohibition."

"Prohibition is not a matter which primarily concerns an institution like Harvard," said Max Habicht yesterday in an interview on this subject. "Harvard students when they vote on the issue in the CRIMSON poll on Monday should bear this fact in mind. It matters very little whether the sale of alcoholic liquor is permitted here or not. Students can get it anyway, and also the student does not feel the financial drain and bad moral effect of drinking as much as the average laborer.

Europe Suffers From Drink

"I am certain that the United States where prohibition is in force suffers far less as a result of drink than any of the European countries where liquor is freely sold. The idea that this is the only country where alcoholism is a great problem is a pure fallacy. In fact this is the only country where it is not. We hear a great deal about bootleggers and drunken students in America, but do we hear of families being broken up any more as a result of drink?

System Is Wrong Here

"Although I believe that Prohibition has benefited the country a great deal and given it many advantages over non-prohibition countries, there is evidently something wrong with the system employed. I think that the educational side of the matter has been too much neglected. At present Prohibition enforcement is attempted entirely by legal means, and the enforcement is thus not complete. You cannot force the general public to obey a law while many of them are not convinced of its value.

"We should have for more scientific study of the effects of alcoholic drinks, and then a general dissemination of the knowledge gathered in this way. The question is primarily a social one and the average person should be shown how greatly to the advantage of society as a whole Prohibition is.